current state of play, moderate gun owners have become convinced by the nra and other, even moorad cal gun organizations such as gun owners of america, that the goal of all gun safety advocates is to take aware their guns. these owners view even the most reasonable gun-safety proposals with suspicion, fearing a slippery slope to a ban on firearms. this paranoia is what gives the gun lobby its power." and there really is a lot of fear among gun owners. >> well -- >> in certain areas. >> -- when you have gun organizations after barack obama is elect the first same saying they're going to take all your guns away and then they repeat it after he gets elected a second time and people rush out and start buying guns, yeah, there is that paranoia. i think mark halperin, if you're really there -- do i have mark halperin -- maybe i need to do this with everybody that i toss so. i'm going to say a name and then you go check. mark halperin. >> halperin. >> check. >> okay, i can go to him. so mark, chuck schumer, i think, goes to great lengths to tell liberals, to tell progressives, hey, listen, yo